Q2 2023 MPLX LP Earnings Call

Participants

Dave Heppner

John J. Quaid; Executive VP, CFO & Director of MPLX GP LLC; MPLX LP

Kristina Anna Kazarian; VP of Finance & IR - MPLX GP LLC; MPLX LP

Michael J. Hennigan; Chairman of the Board, President & CEO of MPLX GP LLC; MPLX LP

Shawn M. Lyon; SVP of Logistics & Storage - MPLX GP LLC; MPLX LP

Brian Patrick Reynolds; Analyst; UBS Investment Bank, Research Division

Jeremy Bryan Tonet; Senior Analyst; JPMorgan Chase & Co, Research Division

Keith T. Stanley; Research Analyst; Wolfe Research, LLC

Neal David Dingmann; MD; Truist Securities, Inc., Research Division

Theresa Chen; Research Analyst; Barclays Bank PLC, Research Division

Presentation

Operator

Welcome to the MPLX Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Call. My name is Sheila, and I will be your operator for today's call. (Operator Instructions) Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions) Please note that this conference is being recorded.
I will now turn the call over to Kristina Kazarian. Kristina, you may begin.

Kristina Anna Kazarian

Good morning, and welcome to the MPLX Second Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. The slides that accompany this call can be found on our website at mplx.com under the Investor tab. Joining me on the call today are Mike Hennigan, Chairman and CEO; John Quaid, CFO; and other members of the executive team.
We invite you to read the safe harbor statements and non-GAAP disclaimer on Slide 2. It's a reminder that we will be making forward-looking statements during the call and during the question-and-answer session that follows. Actual results may differ materially from what we expect today. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are included there as well as our filings with the SEC.
With that, I'll turn the call over to Mike.

Michael J. Hennigan

Thanks, Kristina. Good morning, and thank you for joining our call. Earlier today, we reported second quarter results. Our business delivered adjusted EBITDA of $1.5 billion, an increase of 5% year-over-year and a new quarterly record.
Distributable cash flow of $1.3 billion was up 6% versus the second quarter of last year and was also a new record. We continue to see strength in our base business and contributions from our growth capital investments driving DCF for the first half of the year, up 6% as compared to last year. We also remain focused on return of capital. We continue to expect our distribution to be the primary return of capital tool supplemented with opportunistic repurchases.
Based on the strength of the business and our balance sheet, we're well positioned to continue to optimize return of capital. While natural gas and NGL prices are lower than last year, our long-term production outlook for our G&P producer customers in our key basins remains largely unchanged.
In our largest base in the Marcellus, the cost to develop remains at a low end of the cost curve and still below current commodity prices and we expect to see maintenance level drilling activity continue. The recent U.S. Supreme Court decision to allow the MVP pipeline construction to continue is supportive for natural gas development in the region.
In the Permian, our production outlook is unchanged as crude prices remain strong and prices for associated gas do not significantly impact producer activity. Our integrated footprints in these resilient basins position the partnership with a steady source of earnings and growth opportunities. This quarter, we advanced our natural gas and NGL value chain strategies with the announcement of new projects in the Permian.
We remain confident in our ability to grow and are focused on executing the strategic priorities of strict capital discipline, fostering a low-cost culture and optimizing our asset portfolio, all of which are foundational to the continued growth of MPLX's cash flows.
We continue to enhance our ESG commitments and disclosures with the publication of both our annual sustainability and perspectives on climate-related scenario reports. We continue to make progress on our 2030 target to reduce midstream methane emissions intensity, 75% from 2016 levels. Through our focus on methane program, we have implemented measures that have achieved approximately 10,000 tons per year of methane emissions reduction.
We also continue progressing our biodiversity target to apply sustainable landscapes to 10,000 acres of pipeline right of ways by the end of 2025. Through last year, we've achieved over 10% of this target.
MPLX is also participating in alliances focused on CCUS and hydrogen hubs. We will continue to evaluate low-carbon opportunities where we can leverage technologies that are complementary with our asset footprint and expertise. We continue to challenge ourselves to lead in sustainable energy by meeting the needs of today while investing in an energy diverse future that creates shared value for all our stakeholders.
Now let me turn the call over to John to discuss our growth as well as our operational and financial results for the quarter.

John J. Quaid

Thanks, Mike. As Mike referenced in his remarks, MPLX has a strong history of successfully executing the strategic priorities of strict capital discipline, fostering a low-cost culture and optimizing our asset portfolio, all of which are foundational to the growth of MPLX's cash flows. And through the first half of this year, distributable cash flow has grown 6% year-over-year.
Looking back over the last 3 years, as you can see on Slide 5, our growth is not linear, but instead tends to come in stair steps as we develop and bring projects online. For 2023, our capital program outlook remains at $950 million including $800 million of growth capital and $150 million of maintenance capital.
In the L&S segment, our joint venture projects in the Permian are progressing. We see strong demand for the Whistler natural gas pipeline and its expansion to 2.5 billion cubic feet per day, which remains on schedule for completion in September.
We're also planning to expand the BANGL joint venture pipeline to 200,000 barrels per day as we look to grow our participation in the NGL value chain. The capital-efficient expansion of this long-haul pipeline is supported by existing and growing demand for NGL takeaway from the Permian's Delaware and Midland Basins to the fractionation hub in Sweeny, Texas. We expect the expansion to be completed in the first half of 2025.
On the Wink-to-Webster crude pipeline, we expect volumes to ramp this year and over the next 2 years as the pipeline continues to place segments in service. And as a reminder, these 3 projects, Whistler, BANGL and Wink-to-Webster, are largely financed at the JV level, and therefore, our portion of the debt finance capital spending is not reflected in our capital outlook.
In the G&P segment, we remain focused on growth investments in the Permian and Marcellus basins in response to producer demand. In the Permian's Delaware Basin, we continue to bring online new gas processing plants to meet increasing customer demand while targeting strong returns with strict capital discipline. Our Tornado II processing plant began service at the end of last year, and we are advancing construction of Preakness II, which we expect to be online in the first half of 2024.
We recently approved plans to build our seventh gas processing plant in the basin, Secretariat, which is expected online in the second half of 2025. This will bring our total processing capacity in the Delaware Basin up to 1.4 Bcf per day.
In the Marcellus Basin, we are also progressing construction of the Harmon Creek II gas processing plant, which we expect will come online in the first half of 2024.
Slide 6 outlines the second quarter operational and financial performance highlights for our Logistics and Storage segment. The L&S segment reported its second consecutive $1 billion adjusted EBITDA quarter. L&S segment adjusted EBITDA increased $56 million when compared to second quarter 2022, primarily driven by higher rates and growth in total throughputs.
Crude pipeline volumes were up 4% and represent a new quarterly record for the partnership as we grew crude oil throughputs through expansion and debottlenecking activities. Product pipeline volumes were down 6% driven by more favorable market dynamics in the second quarter of last year and effects from Marathon's refinery turnarounds. Terminal volumes were up 3% due to effects associated with Marathon's refinery turnarounds in both quarters.
Moving to our Gathering and Processing segment on Slide 7. G&P segment adjusted EBITDA increased $18 million compared to the second quarter of 2022 as the benefits of higher volumes and throughput fees were offset by lower NGL prices. While our G&P segment is largely a fee-based business, we do have some direct sensitivity to natural gas liquids prices.
For the quarter, NGL prices averaged $0.63 per gallon as compared to $1.18 in the second quarter of 2022, resulting in a roughly $50 million headwind for the results. Total gathered volumes were up 9% year-over-year due to increased production in the Utica and the Permian. Processing volumes were up 6% year-over-year, primarily from higher volumes in the Marcellus and Permian driven by increased customer demand and our investment in Permian processing capacity.
Focusing in on the Marcellus, by far our largest basin of G&P operations, we saw year-over-year volume increases of 3% for gathering and 5% for processing, driven by increased customer demand. Fractionation volumes grew 10% primarily due to recent increases to our fractionation capacity to meet in-basin demand for ethane.
Our capital allocation framework remains unchanged. And year-to-date, we have returned $1.6 billion through distributions to our unitholders. We continue to expect our distribution to be our primary return of capital tool and opportunistic repurchases of units held by the public also remain a tool to supplement capital returns. The growth of our cash flows and strong balance sheet, including a quarter end cash balance of over $750 million, provides us with financial flexibility to continue to optimize capital allocation and return of capital.
Now let me hand it back to Mike for some final thoughts.

Michael J. Hennigan

Thanks, John. In closing, MPLX' growth strategy continues to support our commitment to return capital to unitholders. MPLX remains a strategic part of MPC's portfolio, supported by over $2 billion MPC expects to receive annually from MPLX distributions. And as MPLX pursues its growth opportunities, we expect the value of this strategic relationship will continue to be enhanced.
We continue to be confident in our growth opportunities and ability to generate strong cash flows. By advancing our high-return growth projects anchored in the Marcellus and Permian Basin, along with our focus on cost and portfolio optimization, we expect to grow our cash flows, allowing us to continue to reinvest in the business and return capital to unitholders.
Now let me turn the call back over to Kristina.

Kristina Anna Kazarian

Thanks, Mike. (Operator Instructions) With that, we will now open the call to questions. Sheila?

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our first question comes from Brian Reynolds with UBS.

Brian Patrick Reynolds

Fundamentals out of the Permian continue to be really strong. And I was just curious if you could provide a little bit more detail on the BANGL pipeline expansion. Is this really driven by growth on MPLX's dedicated acreage? I'm curious about further potential expansion or extension opportunities on that BANGL pipeline in the future?

Michael J. Hennigan

Brian, I'll start off, and I'll let Dave kick in there. We've been trying to tell the market that our main basins, Marcellus, Permian, is where we're concentrating a lot of our capital efforts. The announcement today of continuing to add processing plant and as your question around BANGL, just further solidifies where we've been putting a lot of our emphasis. So let me let Dave give you a little bit more color on BANGL specifically.

Dave Heppner

Brian, so let me start off just by a little background. Of course, we're a 25% owner in existing BANGL system, and that was brought on service in Q4 2021. And we've been very happy with that capital efficient project. So I'll start that as a foundation. And as we look at the expansion, it's really anchored by what you touched on, our growth and also just the overall Permian growth. And so our expansion of BANGL 200 a day is kind of a 2-prong. It's the installation of additional pumping capacity on the existing mainline and then also construction of a new pipe on the Southern section. So those together is what we're referring to as the expansion project.
And as John noted, that project currently is projected to be complete in the first half of 2025. Looking beyond 2025, should the supply and demand dynamics remain strong in the Permian. The BANGL partners are in a position including ourselves to consider additional expansions of the pipe.
And last comment I want to make is just to reinforce note that John stated is that we currently anticipate financing this BANGL project at that level through the JV. And therefore, that will not reflect in our capital outlook going forward. So just a couple of points there.

Brian Patrick Reynolds

Great. Appreciate all that color. And then maybe to pivot to capital allocation and I appreciate the color in the prepared remarks, but just kind of curious, just given that we're approaching the 3Q distribution potential rate that we've seen in prior years. And given MPLX's preference for the BP raise over buybacks from the last few calls. Curious if you could just perhaps talk about an optimized capital structure at MPLX just given that leverage is starting to trend below 3.5x.

John J. Quaid

Brian, it's John. Thanks for the question. Yes, I mean, I think as we've said, we've been focused on the distribution as our primary return of capital tool. We'll look at that in the second half of the year like we did last November. Certainly, we're coming from a position of strength, right? The strong balance sheet, leverage around 3.5x distribution coverage, 1.7x and $750 million of cash on the balance sheet. It really gives us that flexibility to work to optimize capital return, again, focused on the distribution as that tool as we think about where we want leverage -- I'm sorry, coverage to go, but very comfortable with where we are.
We did a 10% increase last year, and our coverage has actually gone up. So I think, in a strong position. And maybe one other thing, too. I mean, certainly, we haven't done any buybacks over the last 2 quarters, but it does still remain a tool for us. Again, we try and be -- trying to optimize in that area as well and being opportunistic with those repurchases. But as I'm sure you and others have seen, the units -- the volatility in the units has almost moved to nothing, which has maybe remove some of those opportunities for us recently, but still remains a tool for us.
And Mike, I don't know if you wanted to add or that's good. Hopefully, that answers your question, Brian.

Operator

Next, we will hear from Keith Stanley with Wolfe Research.

Keith T. Stanley

If I could just follow on the last question on capital return to start. Obviously, you haven't done the buybacks in the first half of the year. You did a lot last year, you did $500 million. How are you thinking about total capital return and prospects for growing total return of capital to unitholders just because buybacks are going down. Should we think distribution growth can kind of offset that and make up for it. So you have growing total return of capital? Just overall thoughts on that value proposition.

Michael J. Hennigan

Keith, it's Mike. Let me start, and I'll pick up where John left off in the last answer and try and give you a little bit more color. So I color code our cash flows, and I use red and blue as the examples. Red cash flows or cash flows that we don't count on at a continuing basis, but they're source of equity. Blue cash flows are those that we think that are there continually ongoing in time. And what we typically think about is, as a general rule, not that you can't apply both, but red cash flows or buybacks and blue cash flows support the distribution. We can use blue for buybacks, but just as a general rule, think about it that way.
As John mentioned, we have a decent amount of cash on the balance sheet, mainly because in the last 2 quarters, our volatility has changed quite a bit. I don't know that we have a good reason for that. But prior to that, we were buying back using red bar cash flows at a significantly lower number than where we trade on average.
In other words, during the quarter, we get these dips, the capital markets give these dips that we hit opportunistically. So if you look back in time, we've bought over $1 billion of buybacks, and we've averaged less than $30 and mainly because we've gotten these dips, the volatility of the stock trades in such a way that we get these dips that we've acted on.
Now in the last couple of quarters, we haven't had those dips the way we've seen in the past. Again, I don't know exactly why that volatility has come out. But as a result, that cash is still sitting on the balance sheet. So we still have 2 sets of cash flows sitting on the balance sheet, some that's still targeted for buybacks and some that's targeted for ongoing growth in the distribution.
As a matter of course, the main thing that we concentrate on is generating cash, right? Obviously, that's the name of the game here. And I've said on a couple of other calls that we're trying to do mid-single digit. And if you look at our slides, it will show you there's a good chart in there that shows you our distributable cash flow over the last couple of years has averaged a little under 7%.
So the main focus for us is let's make sure we're growing the partnership, growing those cash flows, identifying the type of cash flows we see and then looking to implement a program that supports distribution growth long term, which we've said is our primary tool, mainly because we're mainly growing blue cash flows.
When we get the red cash flows, we look at those to supplement our program and be a little bit more opportunistic. Now some investors have said, hey, why don't you use blue for buybacks? That's still a tool as well as John used the analogy these are all on our tool belt. And we'll continue to think about those.
So where we stand right today is I don't want people to look at our results and read into it that we're not thinking about buybacks. We are, but we've just been surprised at how the volatility has changed quite a bit in the last couple of quarters. So we'll rethink that a little bit going forward.
In the meantime, as John mentioned, we still have that cash on the balance sheet. We are looking in -- we'll talk to you next quarter about where we're going to go with distribution growth. But we're in a good position, mainly driven by the fact that our concentration is growing the cash flows and then trying to optimize for as much value as we can. I hope that helps.

Keith T. Stanley

Yes, that is helpful tying the cash balance to the buyback activity. Second unrelated question, just curious, the company historically hasn't been a big acquirer of assets, but it does seem like we've seen asset prices come down in the market recently. And obviously, you have a lot of financial flexibility. Just any updated thoughts on how you're thinking about the potential ability to play a role in M&A?

Michael J. Hennigan

Yes, Keith, it's something -- again, it's on the tool belt. It's something that Dave and the team continually look at. We measure it against our own internal organic growth projects. And very often, we find that we have a list of projects that we just think will get us a higher return compared to some of the opportunities out there. But we're looking.
We're always active in trying to manage that process, whether it's inbound or something that we're thinking about, but we're comparing it against what we have internally. I've said a couple of times recently that some of these smaller, maybe not flashy projects, they generate significantly higher returns. We're a pretty large-sized MLP and to grow 6% to 7% DCF CAGR requires us to get good returns on the project. So I use the term strict capital discipline. We try as best we can look at all of our opportunities and then put the capital to work to get us the best return.
So it's something that's out there. We haven't seen something that we would like. I will tell you, we've been active in some processes, but we're also kind of disciplined as to what number we're willing to do and what number we're willing to walk away from. So I think that discipline serves us well and keeps us in a good position to grow the partnership with good returns.

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeremy Tonet with JPMorgan.

Jeremy Bryan Tonet

Just wanted to pick up on the last comment you put out there, the 6% to 7% DCF CAGR. Is that something that you see the business being able to achieve over some -- the same period of time, realizing that's not a guidance number, but just trying to dig into that comment a little bit more.

Michael J. Hennigan

Jeremy, I've said it a couple of times, and thank you for saying it's not meant to be guidance. It's just meant to be what we see as far as our capital spend that we think is appropriate for us, the size of our current EBITDA and DCF, that mid-single-digit growth kind of fits what I think is our financial model.
So as we sit down as a team and talk about our plans for next year and the next 3 years and the next 5 years, I kind of think about where we're going to be as far as growing our cash flows, et cetera, et cetera. So it's not meant to be guidance, and I said that a couple of calls ago. But I just kind of point to, like I said, if you look at our slide, and John mentioned this, our business can be stair steppy as opposed to continuous because you bring a plan on here or there or start a pipeline up here or there.
So if you actually look at our slide, it will show you that we had 6%, then we had about 10%, then we had about 4%. And if you look over the time frame, the CAGR was a little under 7%. So year-to-date this year, we're about 6% DCF growth. And that's kind of for the size we are for the capital that I think we want to execute. It kind of puts me in that realm. And that's why I think we've been showing hopefully, the market has been seeing very steady cash flows, but more importantly, growing cash flows.
There was some concern, if you go back a couple of years with COVID and the stability of cash flows, and I think we've shown that even through 2020. But more importantly, I hope the market is picking up that we're being really thoughtful as to our capital investments, and we're growing the partnership.
And then we get to the topic that Keith just recently asked. If they're growing the cash, which is the priority, then optimizing, how do we invest and how do we return? So I continually say these businesses are both a return on and a return of capital business. And we're trying to concentrate on doing well in both areas.

Jeremy Bryan Tonet

Got it. That's very helpful there. And just wanted to pick up on another comment you said there with regards to CapEx deployment. Just wondering any thoughts you might be able to share with regards to what type of capacity on an annual basis you see MPLX having to deploy growth capital? And then on the other side, I guess, given the assets as they sit right now, what type of opportunity set do you see it matching there? Or is there interest in kind of expanding in other platforms to create new growth initiatives?

Michael J. Hennigan

Yes, Jeremy, it's a good question. And in our capital allocation framework, we clearly identify return on to be a higher priority than return of. We are looking to grow the cash flows, and we are looking to invest. Right now, we've been kind of in a pattern such that we're generating $5 billion of distributable cash flow but we're investing capital such that we have about $1 billion of free cash flow beyond that. And that served us well.
But to your point, it's not limiting us. If we see more investment that we like we're happy to do that. And that's countered by this concept of being strict on capital discipline, making sure we get good returns. I think it's really important in this space to show the market that when we invest capital that we're going to get good returns on it. And if we continue that track record, then I think people will support the equity.
In the short term, that's about where we've ended up. But to the question that was asked earlier, we are open and we constantly are debating what's the right level and what are the right projects and where do we think we should deploy the money that's owned by the owners. And to the extent that we feel good about it, we've ended up with this roughly about $1 billion of capital investment roughly, and that's left us with about $1 billion of free cash flow.
So we've kind of been in that mode recently. We're comfortable with it, but we also have flexibility around it as well, if that makes sense to you.

Operator

(Operator Instructions) Our next question will come from Theresa Chen with Barclays.

Theresa Chen

I'd like to touch on John's comments earlier about the level of distribution increase. So from a backward-looking perspective, John, it sounds like the 10% last year with coverage going up was maybe too low. And as we think about the third quarter this year and beyond, especially arguably, as we have more and more blue cash flows with online projects based on fee-based contracts and visible volume growth. Should we think about that 10% as more of a floor?

John J. Quaid

That's the definition of a champagne problem, Theresa, but I'm not -- thanks for the question. But I don't know if I think about it as a floor. Again, we try and be cognizant of where we are. Again, Mike talks about red and blue. We think about that blue. We think about the capital we want to put to work. We can look at that and say, how do we kind of settle that into kind of a self-funding model, even though, hey, if we've got the right project, we could go and finance it, but certainly where the balance sheet is now, it's not really a question.
So I think we're trying to be prudent around the increase in how we think about the percentage. Certainly, that percentage last year versus our peers was very different. Again, some peers have cut and they're kind of getting their distributions back to where they were. We did -- we haven't cut our distribution. So I think about it more around the framework of that blue bar cash we have, how do we -- almost a glide path to our ultimate growth rate of where the partnership is going to be because to some degree, what we've done here is we managed through COVID, continue to grow the partnership.
We were driving blue bar cash flows and essentially drove our coverage up. So now we're thinking about, all right, we're comfortable with the business, confidence in those cash flows, how do we work those cash flows into the distribution and ultimately, over time, kind of align that with the growth rate of the partnership. So I don't know that I would say it's a floor, but certainly a marker for what we did last year. Hopefully, that helps a little.

Theresa Chen

And on the topic of low-carbon technologies, would you provide some color on how you're thinking about your potential participation? And what are the pathways and really the likelihood of commercialization for hydrogen [PCR] hubs within your footprint?

Dave Heppner

Yes, Theresa, this is Dave. Let me touch on that for you. So ourselves, MPLX, along with MPC, we've been -- we are involved right now on 3 of the hydrogen hubs out there. 3 of the 33 that have made it to the final submittal for funding phase. And those projects are unique and into their own as far as level investment. So those are in the final commitment phase. We anticipate getting final response from the DOE at the end of this year.
And I think I want to go back to the comments that both Mike and John has touched on. So while we're involved in these, a lot of it is dependent on DOE funding, but it's all back to strict capital discipline. As we look at the emerging energy evolution, emerging technologies, carbon capture, hydrogen, we're excited about it. It is part of our strategy going forward but it's with the backdrop of ensuring that the money we're investing achieves the rates of returns that we're targeting. So more to come on that. And I think as DOE makes their final decisions on their grants and their funding at the end of this year, we'll have some more updates on it.

Michael J. Hennigan

Theresa, it's Mike. I just want to add, one of the benefits we have is our footprint. And as Dave mentioned, we're active in at least 3 of those hubs right now so that we can participate in the discussion, whether it's on the Gulf Coast or up in Marcellus or in the Bakken or wherever it is, our footprint allows us to have these opportunities.
And to the question I was asked earlier, one of the advantages of having this wide footprint and the connectivity that we have is our organic choices are strong, which gives us the ability to forgo having to do something else because our plate has enough activity on it, that gives us a good enough return. So I think one of the strengths we have is the breadth of our portfolio.
And we're always trying to figure out how to optimize that and where we think we can benefit by being stronger. As you heard today, investing some more capital in the Permian. We've been very open about that scenario of concentration for us, and we put a lot of effort there. So continuing to grow our footprint in that area should not be a surprise to anybody.
But to your question on low carbon, we are looking a lot at different things, as Dave mentioned, but we are coming back to -- it's got to show return that makes sense to us if we're going to deploy capital. So hopefully, that helps as well.

Operator

And our last question will come from Neal Dingmann with Truist.

Neal David Dingmann

My question first is just on potential noncore divestitures. I think specifically, you all mentioned in the past how you're looking to potentially shed some of the noncore terminals or G&P utility lines. I'm just wondering what's the magnitude of potential sales we still could expect going forward?

John J. Quaid

Neal, it's John. Thanks for the question. Yes. As you note, we've had some assets here and there, smaller ones and probably both the L&S and G&P side of the shop that we've been able to find other owners for. I think when this comment -- and we continue to look at that, right, around all of our assets, if they don't make sense in our hands, do they make sense in others. I would say the large majority of those assets on the L&S side, we know our customer MPC and we know how critical those are to their operations on the G&P side.
We talk from time to time about some of the basins we're in, which are much smaller than our presence, say, in the Marcellus, which is really the largest part of our G&P operations. Look, those are generating free cash flow, but we're maybe not looking to significantly invest in those. So if there's someone that maybe that fits better in their portfolio, we would listen.
Again, there's been a little bit of a gap between the bid and the ask there. And given they're not kind of a burning platform for us, we haven't had significant urgency to do something there, but something we'll always look at.

Neal David Dingmann

Yes, that makes sense. And then my -- just my last one is on the crude pipeline growth. You all mentioned volumes. I think you said are up 4% part due to debottlenecking. I'm just wondering, can this growth continue as maybe there's future opportunities you're looking at?

Shawn M. Lyon

Neal, this is Shawn. We're pleased where we are right now with the crude pipelines growth, and it's really driven by the high refinery utilization, but we continue to look for organic projects that unlock debottlenecking, increase capacity. So we'll continue doing that as Mike and John said, as we look forward and future capital outlays. Again, really to match the refineries and the needs of our customers that are connected to our crude pipeline. So again, we're pleased with where we're at, and we'll continue looking for those organic growth opportunities.

Kristina Anna Kazarian

All right, Sheila, is there anyone else in the queue?

Operator

We are showing no further questions at this time.

Kristina Anna Kazarian

Sounds great. Thank you so much for joining us today and thank you for your interest in MPLX. Should you have additional questions or would you like clarification on any of the topics discussed today, members of the Investor Relations team will be here today to help out and take your call.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's conference. Thank you once again for your participation. You may disconnect at this time.