Q1 2024 CSG Systems International Inc Earnings Call

Participants

John Rea; Head of Investor Relations; CSG Systems International Inc

Brian Shepherd; President Chief Executive Officer; CSG Systems International Inc

Hai Tran; Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President; CSG Systems International Inc

Maggie Nolan; Analyst; William Blair

George Notter; Analyst; Jefferies

Matthew Harrigan; Analyst; Benchmark

Dan Bergstrom; Analyst; RBC Capital Markets

Brett Knoblauch; Analyst; Cantor Fitzgerald

Tim Horan; Analyst; Oppenheimer

Michael Berg; Analyst; Wells Fargo

Presentation

Operator

Good morning. My name is Dee, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the CSG first-quarter 2024 earnings call. (Operator Instructions)
Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to John Rea, Treasurer and Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

John Rea

Thank you, operator, and thanks to everyone for joining us. Like last quarter, we will be working from a slide deck, which can be found on the Investor Relations section of our website. Please take a moment to locate these slides.
Today's discussion will contain a number of forward-looking statements. These include, but are not limited to statements regarding our projected financial results, our ability to meet our clients' needs through our products, services and performance, and our ability to successfully integrate and manage acquired businesses in order to achieve their expected strategic operating and financial goals.
While these risks reflect our best current judgment, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially. Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinions only as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to revise or publicly release any revision to these forward-looking statements in light of new or future events.
In addition to factors noted during this call, a more comprehensive discussion of our risk factors can be found in today's press release as well as our most recently filed 10-K and 10-Q, which are all available in the Investor Relations section of our website.
Also, we will discuss certain financial information that is not prepared in accordance with GAAP. We believe that these non-GAAP financial measures when reviewed in conjunction with our GAAP financial measures provide investors with greater transparency to the information used by our management team in our financial and operational decision-making.
For more information regarding our use of non-GAAP financial measures, we refer you to today's earnings release and non-GAAP reconciliation tables on our website, which will also be furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K.
With me today on the phone are Brian Shepherd, our Chief Executive Officer; and Hai Tran, Chief Financial Officer. With that, I'd like to now turn the call over to Brian.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks, John. Hi, everyone. We are glad to join today's call.
As we begin on Slide 4, Team CSG got off to a good start in the first quarter of 2024, broadly in line with our expectations for the quarter. For the first time in CSG's history, 30% of our revenue came from industry verticals outside the communication service provider space.
This is a testament to our multiyear revenue diversification, strategy of selling our SaaS suite of solutions into exciting industry verticals like financial services, health care, retail technology and insurance as we continue to deliver double digit organic revenue growth in our smaller but faster-growing solutions, we fully expect that our revenue diversification will expand well above this level in the quarters and years ahead.
With respect to shareholder returns, we continue to reward shareholders in the form of dividends and buybacks. In February, we announced a 7% annual increase in our dividend and returned $9 million in dividends to shareholders in March. Additionally, we repurchased $10 million worth of stock during the quarter.
Over the last 12 months, we have returned over 160 million to shareholders. Looking forward, we will continue to opportunistically repurchase shares through the end of 2024 with the expectation that at a minimum, we will buy back enough shares to offset employee stock compensation with the opportunity to buyback more than this when we believe it will create greater shareholder value.
From a financial perspective, in Q1, we delivered 295 million in revenue generated a 16.6% non-GAAP adjusted operating margin and reported $1.1 in non-GAAP EPS. As we have mentioned on previous earnings calls, our Q1 2023 financial results included approximately 10 million in highly profitable one-times license revenue, which distorts the Q1 year-over-year growth comparison.
We knew this would be the case when we issue 2024 guidance. If you normalize out the impact of this one-time license revenue from last year, our Q1 2024 organic revenue would have grown year over year. Also free cash flow to one was slightly softer than anticipated due to several timing related items that I will discuss momentarily.
We continue to place a big focus on generating good free cash flow and believe the Q1 timing related items will not impact our ability to meet our original free cash flow guidance for 2024, just as we saw in 2022 and 2023, the majority of our free cash flow being generated in the second half of the year. We expect a similar trend this year with Q1 results broadly in line with our expectations.
We are pleased to confirm our full year 2024 guidance targets. Our confidence in reaffirming guidance comes from the strong ongoing market demand for CSG's industry-leading SaaS products and good sales performance across all areas of our business.
CSG's sales pipeline is as large and healthy as ever, and we continue to win and deliver exciting new deals all around the world, thanks to our over 6,000 talented and dedicated CSG employees, we also wanted to share two meaningful updates on our corporate responsibility journey.
We were proud to issue our second annual Global Impact Report in March, which highlights what team CSG is doing around the world to create a more sustainable future by reducing our environmental impact, supporting our communities and fostering a culture of inclusion and belonging.
Additionally, we issued our latest carbon footprint, greenhouse gas emissions report, and we are proud to have already achieved a nearly 40% reduction in our Scope one and two emissions since 2019. This shows the excellent progress CSG is making with the goal of reaching carbon neutrality in Scope one and two emissions by 2035.
Turning to slide 5, we want to reiterate the four strategic objectives that will help CSG create greater shareholder value and allow followers of our story to track our progress CSG aspires to deliver long-term organic revenue growth in the 2% to 6% range, striving to consistently be at or above the midpoint of this range.
The midpoint of our 2024 revenue guidance implies an approximately 4% year-over-year organic growth rate, even as we faced some slight headwinds at several of our North American cable broadband customers.
We aim to add operating scale and expand our operating leverage by growing revenue to $1.5 billion by year end 2025, with bottom line growing as fast or faster than top line growth. Scale will come from a combination of good organic growth combined with disciplined inorganic moves.
Our third strategic imperative is to be the number one SaaS provider of choice for global communication service providers by providing the most value adding technology platforms and by helping our customers make more money in the digital world.
And finally, we plan to significantly diversify our revenue even more as CSG winds big and high-growth industry verticals like retail, government, financial services, health care technology and more.
Moving to slide 6, you can see that we are delivering against all four objectives on strategic revenue growth. In 2023, we reported a record-setting $1.169 billion of revenue, resulting in 7.3% year-over-year growth. Our best full year result in nearly 20 years at the midpoint of our 2024 revenue guidance implies the CSG will have consistently delivered approximately 5% annual revenue growth between 2021 and 2024, with the vast majority of this being pure organic revenue growth.
On the right hand side of slide 6 we believe the CSG's high recurring revenue SaaS business model and our strong healthy balance sheet make us an attractive investment. By 2025. We aspire to gain scale in the markets where we compete and generate $1.5 billion in annual revenue, which implies the CSG will have added over $500 million of profitable recurring revenue from 2020 to 2025. Over the medium to long term, we aspire to expand CSG's operating leverage and use our strong balance sheet to deliver non-GAAP EPS growth that meets or exceeds revenue growth.
As it relates to capital deployment team, CSG will add strategic scale with disciplined M&A that puts a premium on accelerating organic growth, expanding our operating margins and cash generation and creating greater shareholder value by paying the right price in extracting the expected M&A synergies inherent in the investment thesis for each acquisition that we close.
On the M&A front, we're happy to share that we closed our first transaction in two years in April as we acquired a small customer engagement company that serves multiple industry verticals, including insurance, while small this accretive deal will expand CSG's offering and customer base in the insurance sector, which is a high priority vertical for us. Going forward, we believe that this M&A deal will be the first of several good accretive M&A transactions that will close in 2024.
Turning to slide 7, with good success in our goal to be the number one technology provider of choice for communication service providers globally. We have long-term contracts with both Charter and Comcast that run through Q1 2028 and year end 2025, respectively.
And as a reminder, CSG's contractual relationship with Comcast and Charter is on a per customer basis, which is an important distinction for us because this pricing model, combined with the tiered pricing inherent in our big customer contracts means that any subscriber losses at our big customers have a relatively small impact on CSG's overall revenue.
Given the concerns about broadband subscriber losses in the cable industry it is worth reiterating that we serve nearly 64 million combined subscribers and Comcast and Charter and nearly 80 million subscribers across all of North America cable broadband customers. So small changes in subscriber counts do not have a meaningful impact on our business results and growth. It should also be noted that our two largest customers recently dropped to less than 40% of our total revenue for the first time.
CSG's improving revenue diversification and 5% consistent annual revenue growth since 2021 is a testament to our success in consistently winning big, exciting new sales deals. Also during the first quarter, we completed a good digital CX implementation with one of the largest North American broadband providers. Specifically, we helped this customer capture significant cost savings by redesigning their monthly bill, improving their digital customer payment capabilities and reducing billing and payment related calls into their contact center.
This good cross-sell win with an exciting broadband customer reinforces the benefit of our strategic product expansion beyond billing and monetization, which positions us well to help thousands of enterprise customers in many industry verticals make more money with extraordinary data-driven customer experience and integrated real-time payments solutions outside of North America, we continue to win more business with leading telecom companies.
A great highlight of the quarter was CSG closing a fantastic new sales win in Latin America with one of the largest telecommunication operators in Brazil. Specifically, CSG will enable their digital evolution to better serve the wireless MVNO market in the largest country in South America with our highly scalable cloud native Ascendon platform.
We also signed a good business expansion with MTN Africa's largest mobile network operator, specifically, CSG will provide managed services support in selected divisions within MTN South Africa, including their MVNO business. This project will enable MTN to speed time to market for new products and services.
CSG also won a good new contract with Banglalink, a leading telecom operator in Bangladesh. Team CSG was selected to help this customer optimize its wireless business by providing our modular wholesale billing and settlement solutions drawing on previous wins in 2023 and Airtel Africa and one and PLDT.
The Banglalink deal also underlies CSG's increasing leadership in Asia Pacific as telecom and wireless leaders continue to embrace customer first digital transformation.
Finally, we signed a nice new deal with one of the leading global MVNO enablers. Specifically, CSG is implementing our cloud native Ascendon product to enable this customer to on and off board new MVNO partners quickly and seamlessly. We are confident that our strong sales pipeline in the global telecom market will position CSG well to announce more exciting new logo sales wins in 2024.
Turning to Slide 8. Since 2017, we have diversified revenue coming from exciting new industry verticals from 7% of total 2017, CSG revenue to 30% of our Q1 2024 revenue, a fantastic accomplishment in a relatively short period of time as mentioned, Q1 marks the first quarter where over 30% of our revenue came from industry verticals outside of CSPs.
During the quarter, we announced a fantastic deal extension and expansion with JP Morgan Chase. Specifically, we're deploying our CSG. Exponent suite of data-driven CX solutions to create a better fraud alert notification experience.
Our enhanced solution eliminates the need for expensive contact center calls and creates an improved digital customer experience during an often stressful time as cardholders tried to identify and recover from fraud, including digitally requesting a replacement credit or debit card.
Another highlight of Q1 was the excellent multiyear contract extension with Formula One, the world's most prestigious motor racing series since 2018. Our cloud-native multichannel Ascendon solution has enabled Formula One to quickly launch new live and on-demand OTT subscription services for racing fans who want to connect with Formula One's content. This is another great example of how CSG Ascendon can help grow and retain customers digital subscriber base.
In the payments market, we now provide award-winning payments solutions to 119,000 active merchants and ISB. partners which represents a 17,000 increase or 17% year-over-year growth from the 102,000 active merchants we served in Q1 2023. Our solutions are critical to customers who need ACH credit card payment gateway and payment processing capabilities, serving a wide range of recurring revenue industry verticals.
We continue to see a big growth runway for CSG's payments business, and we like our chances to accelerate our organic and inorganic revenue growth even faster through 2024 and beyond.
Wrapping up on Slide 9. Simply put, CSG continues to execute well on our strategic vision, even as we help several of our biggest customers overcome some near-term headwinds. We continue to win fantastic new customer logos quarter in quarter out, we continue to innovate with industry-leading AI-driven SaaS solutions that big brands all around the world are buying to solve some of their most pressing business challenges.
We continue to progress our revenue diversification strategy, and we continue to demonstrate our determination and commitment to run our business more efficiently with consistently expanding profitability and free cash flow generation.
We hope you see why we absolutely believe that CSG's best days and biggest breakthroughs are still ahead of us. This is also why you see us years all around the world stay hungry and customer obsessed. Every single day because we know this relentless focus is what is required to create significant shareholder value in the quarters and years ahead, regardless of any near term challenge standing in the way of TMCSG.
With that, I will provide more detail on our financial highlights.

Hai Tran

Thanks, Brian. Let's walk through our Q1 2024 financial results and then I'll wrap it up with some key conclusions. Starting on slide 11, we generated $295 million of rent versus the $299 million. We generated last year. The decrease in revenue was primarily related to the timing of approximately $10 million in high-margin revenue licensing deals signed in Q1 of 2023, which was highlighted throughout last year, having temporarily distorts our revenue and profitability comparisons for the first quarter.
On a year-over-year basis, our Q1 2024 non-GAAP operating income was $45 million. Our non-GAAP adjusted operating margin of 16.6%. It compares to $54 million or 19.3% in the prior year. Similarly, our non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA was $58 million for Q1 of 2024.
Our 21.5% of revenue, excluding transaction fees, as compared to $67 million or 24.3% in Q1 of 2023. As was the case with our year-over-year revenue performance, our Q1 2023 non-GAAP operating income, non-GAAP adjusted operating margin and non-GAAP adjusted EBITDA were all positively impacted by the high margin licensing revenue deals we closed, so distorting the Q1 2020 for comparison, excluding the impact of the $10 million licensing deals, our non-GAAP adjusted operating income and adjusted EBITDA margin percentages would have been broadly similar to Q1 of 2020.
Lastly, our Q1 2024 and non-GAAP EPS was $1.1. It compares to $1.4 in the prior Q1. The decrease in non-GAAP EPS is mainly due to lower operating income, partially offset by positive foreign currency movements and share repurchases over the last 12 months.
Turning to slide 12, I'll go through the balance sheet, our cash flow performance and shareholder returns for our Q1 2020 for cash used in operations was $29 million as compared to cash flow from operations of $$15 million in Q1 of the prior year. Importantly, cash flow generated from operations before changes in working capital in Q1 of 2024 was 52 million compared to $50 million in Q1 of 2023.
Further, we had non-GAAP free cash flow of $34 million in Q1 of 2024 as compared to $7 million of non-GAAP free cash flow generated in Q1 of 2023. The primary drivers of the year-over-year decrease in non-GAAP free cash flow are primarily timing related working capital movements and include one unfavorable changes from the Q1 2023 bonus accrual being significantly higher than the bonus accrual in both Q1 2022 and Q1 2024 and to the timing of converting certain trade receivables into cash.
As a reminder, historically, our non-GAAP Q1 free cash flow performance tends to be the low point for the year. Further over the last five years, the vast majority of our annual non-GAAP free cash flow does it generate in the second half of the year.
Moving on, we ended the first quarter of 2024 for the $121 million of cash and cash equivalent that along with our outstanding debt at March 31st, 2024, resulting in $$435 million of net debt, and our net debt leverage ratio sits at 1.9 times adjusted EBITDA. Further we have approximately 570 million of liquidity as of the end of the quarter.
Moving to the bottom right of the slide, we declared $9 million in dividends during the Q1 of 2024. In addition, we repurchased $10 million in stock during Q1 under our stock repurchase program.
Turning the page, I'll revisit our 2024 guidance target.
In summary, we are reiterating our 2024 targets. Further, we are currently forecasting our first half 2024 revenue to make up approximately 48% of our full year revenue, while we expect 52% of our revenue to be generated in the second half, as has been the case for the past two years, we currently anticipate our Q2 revenue being the low point of the year.
From a quarterly phasing perspective, we continue to see strong demand for our solutions, and we intend to capitalize on those opportunities to realize both near term and longer term growth with timing being our biggest challenge and not underlying.
Additionally, we remain focused on generating improved profitability and actively pursuing opportunities to deliver enhanced efficiencies and operating leverage. Wrapping it up, PSG will continue to relentlessly prioritize every investment we make as a discipline in the allocation of resources and the use of capital innovation, including how we leverage the transformative power of AI across CSG, and an adherence to a risk reward framework with continuous learning are key cornerstones of how we manage.
The business is key is well positioned with a strong sales pipeline and a high quality recurring revenue customer base. We remain committed to accelerating and diversifying our revenue growth, which may include closing and integrating disciplined value adding acquisitions. We believe this approach, combined with our consistent capital distribution, will serve our shareholders.
Well, with that, I'll turn it over to the operator.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator Instructions)
Maggie Nolan, William Blair.

Maggie Nolan

Thank you and congratulations. Nice quarter. I'm wondering if you can elaborate a little more on the acquisition last month offerings, the size of the business and then expand on where you are in the process and what you're targeting with respect to the comment, Brian, that you made about likely closing several more geared deals in 2024 now?

Brian Shepherd

Hi Maggie, hope you're doing well, I appreciate you joining us on the acquisition.
It is in the customer engagement space. It serves several customers in multiple verticals. Insurance is the largest this is a company we've worked with for many years. We got to know the technology. We got to know the customer base that they serve. We got to know the talent that they had. And we had an opportunity to just add to our customer engagement, our business and offering and really build some dedicated expertise in insurance, which is a high target vertical for us.
So we love the team. We'd love to product expansion that we got that brings in and we'd love the vertical focus. And as we've talked about being a disciplined acquirer. We also love the fact that we purchased this business for a very low multiples of EBITDA relative to what we trade.
And we think that there's a lot of shareholder value. That's more specifically on that acquisition to the comment we made, as we've talked about on previous calls, we've just seen a couple of years ago, pricing was out of whack with a lot of sellers. We saw a lot of good deals, but not necessarily at the price point that we thought would create shareholder value.
And we're seeing that change and so we do have a very active pipeline on the inorganic move sides and we're going to stay very disciplined. We've had to go back to both looking at small bid and larger deals. And we would anticipate that there's a and reasonable likelihood that we could announce to close more deals in the coming quarters and in 2024.

Maggie Nolan

Okay.
Thank you. And then a couple of questions on the Other segment.
If that continues to grow, which you sounded confident that it would as a percentage of revenue, any variations in margin across the different verticals? And then do you feel like you have the structure in place to continue growing that?
Or are there changes that you need to make investments you need to make in the sales force and the go-to-market, et cetera?

Hai Tran

Yes, Maggie, I got it. Thanks for the question. The margin differences are less about industry verticals, but more dependent on that our solutions that we go to market with, so obviously are more SaaS-like solutions have very high margins.
We're talking 70 80% like a traditional SaaS model would have services type, even more services, heavy solutions would be lower relative on a relative basis. So So with that said, you know where the customers were by for providing somewhat our CX solution journey orchestration solutions or our payment solution, they're going to tend to have much higher margins than some of our other solutions that are in the marketplace.

Brian Shepherd

Maybe want to add on around the margin expansion potential of these businesses. We do have the scale of both digital CX and payments to significantly expand organically, drive operating leverage and keep strong double digit organic growth going. We do have the scale and the infrastructure to be able to handle that as we also add on acquisitions. But the area that we are, we have invested in is taking a more channel specific approach.
As we've talked about on a couple of the last several earnings calls, we do a nice job with our direct sales teams. We do have a nice job of cross-selling, upselling and land and expand. But we realized that in these multi-industry verticals, there's big partners that have existing offerings, strong sales teams paid marketing budgets so we invest more in a channel driven approach it can generate and accelerate organic growth in this business.
So that's one that we've done over the last several years. That is not a new investment we're going to make. That's something we've already done. We expect that to yield dividends for the business in the coming quarters.

Maggie Nolan

Thank you.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks, Maggie.

Operator

George Notter, Jefferies.

George Notter

Hi, guys. Thanks a lot. I just had a few, I guess financial questions on the I noticed the unbilled receivables were up a little bit sequentially. I know they are elevated relative to where they've been historically.
Is there is there something driving that trend? Can you kind of talk about what that looks like and when that might step down going forward? And then also, I saw in other hubs, I guess, a step function up in stock-comp expense sequentially I'm just wondering if I'm 18 million is kind of the right level going forward or that's something that will step down in the future?
Thanks.

Hai Tran

Yes, I think on then with regards to the unbilled, it's one of the things that we talked about is some of the larger wins we've had on the global telco side with the large CSPs. And as we're undergoing the implementation related to the CSPs. So a lot of times the the the the way the contract works is the unbilled is tied to milestones.
So as we reach those milestones will convert unbilled into kind of invoices and account receivables. So that's just a timing thing and into we're in the midst of a couple of large deployments right now, and that's what's driving up the mid-term trend. Our expectation as we get to that back half this year into next year, they'll start to moderate.

Brian Shepherd

The other question around executive based comp, maybe we'll take that one offline. Our executive based compensation as it relates to equity, has always average on a dilution basis, around $35 million in terms of where it is we fully expect to offset that dilution in terms of where it is. So maybe we'll we may be seeing something specifically that's different band.
Because we haven't seen a big step up in the compensation. We paid out a little higher bonuses last year because we had a record-setting year and outperformed on all of our financial metrics, but there's not a big step change. So maybe we can dig into that in the post call kind of an art.

George Notter

Thanks very much. Appreciate it.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks, George.

Operator

Nehal Chokshi, Northland Capital Markets.

Yes, thank you. And probably a couple of questions from me first, and can you give more detail on the headwinds that you're seeing at your North American cable operators?

Brian Shepherd

Yes, happy to ride. They all hope you're doing well. As we talked in some of the comments, obviously, others are seeing what some of the cable broadband are announcing and we are facing, as we've talked and planned for in the first part of this year, some smallish headwinds are we seeing some tens of thousands of subscribers that have gotten that have been lost on the broadband side and on the total customer side in that, and we're feeling some smallish.
Got that as anticipated it's kind of as as we thought it would be. And we anticipate, as I think a lot of people might have heard from some of their cable broadband customers that that's likely to continue into Q2 and Q. three on a longer-term basis. We do anticipate having worked with these customers for a long time that there's likely to be a longer-term competitive response. We like where they're positioned with their networks.
We like where they're positioned with their customer base. We're mission critical. We're doing a lot to trying to help them in some of those areas where they could as you to perform well, we also see that both Comcast and Charter are passing 2% to 3% more homes every year. We think that could actually help reverse some of these trends, but we are seeing smallish on headwinds as as has been reported.

Great.
And then a different question here. Did the CDS and payments business in aggregate grow at least double digits for the March quarter?

Brian Shepherd

Yes. The combined of those two did to have a strong double digit growth business in Q1. That continued from last year, we like what we're seeing in the sales pipeline. We like what we're seeing on the close and win rate. We like to the conversion and the adoption as we get bring that revenue on board. And we really like what we're seeing in those those combined solution units.

And just to be clear, is that including or excluding year ago, $10 million software onetime revenue recognition.

Hai Tran

So the 10 million a year nonrecurring software licenses were not in the CX or payments business. So the double-digit organic growth with exclusive.

Thank you very much.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks Nehal.

Operator

Matthew Harrigan, Benchmark.

Matthew Harrigan

I was curious when you look at this year business from companies like JP Morgan Financial supermarkets. I mean, is that the room I'm sure an expansion of your relationship and you've got new logos across quite a number of verticals. Could you say roughly what's the breakout on the growth there between existing customers and de novo customers. And when you look at obviously, broad engagement is top of mind and we were these days with the they are working on on both sides.
How readily Could you take JPMorgan? I mean, not obviously, HSBC, the foreign name because they've been new and how far does that lawsuit port that over to a new financial company? And are there any restraints and currency tie apply the same learnings you have at JP Morgan at another bank because it does seem like there's a big opportunity you try and maybe you could hone it specifically and how a I particularly benefited in the fraud business because clearly, that's kind of Aspire VERSIFY. I'm not saying we go back to and just the last reference to Mad magazine probably and walk through history on the conference call, but there you go in fact quite a few.

Brian Shepherd

There are let me unbundle those bad, but it really appreciated love some of the questions and appreciate you joining.
So MCX first, we're having a lot of success once we've penetrated accounts on the land spend and all of the bids, and that is generating the vast majority of the growth, which is fantastic to see the nice thing on the sales logo side, we've had good penetration and good success. But what we realized going back to about Q2 of last year was we had a big we just don't have all of the same brand awareness in all these other verticals.
And so by switching to more of a channel partner led new logo sales hunting, we could average actually leverage the sales force, the marketing relationships and do more than that. We're now about three quarters into that investment in channel and it's starting to bear fruit. We've got dozens of channel partners in different verticals that have both consulting systems integration in some cases, products if they can attach our platform to and pull us into.
And we think that's a that's going to contribute extremely nicely to adding and accelerating the new logo growth. But today, it's been more on the expansion side because once we can get in for 200 to $500,000 price points with either as an infrastructure platform play or just solving one two use cases that are high priority for these different and then expand to dozens of use cases over time. So the expansion is really exciting.
Specifically on the fraud, you're right, it is in financial services, but not just one of the first AI products we brought to market was an AI. Fraud Detect in our payment space, and that's helping merchants reduce the risk of fraud, identify it sooner and actually find ways to continue to make more money on that side.
We see Fraud Detect in the network side of telecom operators or we can use AI with some of our network monitoring capabilities to identify when there might be fraud in the wholesale or roaming side of the global telecom market.
And then obviously we say it just like you said, with the great use case we have had and expanded our relationship with JPMorgan Chase and financial services is one of our top four five verticals. So obviously, we've got quite a few customers. We announced an exciting win with one of the largest of banks and financial services companies in Australia.
We'll redeploy the Cendant are sold Ascendant last quarter. We think that there's a lot of opportunities across both monetization and in the digital CX space related to fraud and other use cases they have. So we think that will continue. That is a high priority as you rightfully call out.

Matthew Harrigan

Great. Thank you.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks, Ben.

Operator

Dan Bergstrom, RBC Capital Markets.

Dan Bergstrom

Hey, thanks for taking our question.
Sorry on the international opportunity, you called out deals in Bangladesh, Brazil, South Africa this quarter, in the prepared remarks, impressive reach and in disparate geographic areas. I guess what are some keys to driving this wide reach of partners like you've referenced a few times in Q&A here. Reference customers. Just simply your solutions are really resonating with customers, no matter what the location.

Brian Shepherd

Yes. No, I again appreciate you joining.
Thanks for the question. We have for first, we serve hundreds of global telecom operators all around the world. We have a global footprint of sales. Our account management teams that have worked with a large lot of these large operators.
So a lot of that is a direct sales model. And we have teams co-located in many cases all around the world in South Africa, in India and Southeast Asia in Europe in the US. And part of that, to be honest, is a trend we've seen and we bet on going back five or six years ago where we felt like the cost and complexity that the global telecom operators have always had.
It was not sustainable. We saw that price commoditization on consumer and enterprise, we saw the big investments they had to make in their networks and five moving to five GB soon to be 6G and it wasn't sustainable.
And so what we what we led with was a product based approach, often SaaS where we could actually help them simplify their business process, simplify their tech stack, become more digital, take costs out of their business. And the reality is we had success in the markets outside the US and Western Europe where they were feeling the most economic pressure.
And now what are we seeing happen five or six years later, we're seeing Western Europe and Nordics have the same economic pressure. We're seeing the Middle East have that pressure. We're seeing that pressure in the North American market as Charter and Comcast take wireless subs from the U.S. players and vice versa on the broadband side.
So that competitive dynamic, we think actually plays to our long-term strength of not being a service based business model, but SaaS and a product. And we expect to continue to win business and drive economic value for those large operators all around the world and in the US and Western Europe.

Dan Bergstrom

That's very helpful. Thank you. And then you mentioned AI in the Q&A here on the previous question. Obviously a focus for everybody just could you build out the talk a little bit more about some of the reception or thoughts around the pipeline build for some of those AI infused products you introduced over the back half of last year?

Brian Shepherd

Yes. I mean, I think everybody is doing a ton in their strategy. So first, as it relates to selling more building it into our offerings we have taken our digital CX, as always, been a data-driven solutions journey. Analytics journey orchestration started more with machine learning and using conversational AI in the early days and now building in where it makes sense.
On the degenerative AI, we launched, as Bill explained, our data AI solutions. We've got dozens of sales candidates. We've actually won and closed several deals like a lot of our digital CX, though these are use cases that can deploy $200,000 to $400,000 to $500,000 annual ACV kinds of sales deals.
So they're not for big ticket items you can get in ring the cash register, reduce cost, helped drive revenue and offset some of the pressure they're feeling. And then you can expand off of that. So we're seeing nice adoption there.
In the payments side, I would say it's not quite double digit, but we are seeing good take-up and interest in the AI Fraud Detect solution. That's and it's also getting bundled into a broader sale of improved data-driven fraud, detect can just approach your merchant experience and reduce the risks to their financial side.
And so I think we're seeing a good adoption, but it's less a specific buy decision, more of a core capability that we need to have in the telecom side, I'd say it's there, but still early, our approach is not to build large language models.
We want to leverage the hyperscalers infrastructure around AI, which we've done in many cases. We want to leverage the capability of our platforms. And in many cases, we let our customers leverage their own large language models for ones they partner with so that we can actually speed the adoption. So we like what we're seeing in the early days, but I would say we're still in the early days of having a bigger impact on our overall revenue.

Dan Bergstrom

That's great.
Thank you.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks, Dan.

Operator

Brett Knoblauch, Cantor Fitzgerald.

Brett Knoblauch

Hey, guys, this is commissions go on for Brett. On I guess just on free cash flow. I know it was talked about a bit in the call, but coming in a little light on the quarter. Can you just elaborate on what gives you the confidence in the full year target?

Hai Tran

Yes, certainly. So as I mentioned, when we did not we expect this year unlike last year, because of the nature of the of those licenses in Q1 as we expect a year that still looks fairly normally where profitability and revenue kind of grows throughout the year. And as that happens, it will flow down to benefit our cash flow performance.
On top of that, we'll also see some working capital elements that revert to the year as well. So one of the things that we saw in Q1 was because we had an extraordinarily strong year last year. Brian talked about the fact that we had to get and I highlighted in the prepared remarks, we had incentive comp payout that was fairly robust and that impacts our Q1 more dramatically on a comparative basis.
And then lastly, as you saw last year, we're able to generate a very strong fourth quarter of roughly 74 million of free cash flow. You know, I think that we've got we have a good idea of how to drive some of those improvements in working capital as we learned throughout last year. And so our expectations is Q1 is the low point here. We'll begin to build it kind of little by little in Q2 Q3 will show greater momentum than Q4 should be comparable to last year.

Brett Knoblauch

Awesome. Thanks. Congrats on a solid quarter.

Brian Shepherd

Thank you.

Operator

Shlomo Rosenbaum, Stifel.

Hi.
Thank you for taking my questions.
Just to dig a little bit more on the acquisition side on that small acquisition you noted in CX with insurance, is it a purchasing vertical expertise or is there some CX UM capability that they have that's more foundational? If you could just expand a little bit on that?

Brian Shepherd

Yes, Shlomo, thanks for joining this one. They have a great team. They have great industry expertise. This one was less about buying a strategic capability that could really move the ball forward that we could do a lot of cross sell of the platforms to this one was an opportunity to bring a great customer base, a group that we had worked with and done a lot with in the past at a great financial price. I wouldn't say that there was no benefit to the value we picked up, but it was on the low side.
That wasn't the main driver. I think there's other acquisitions. You might end up seeing us announce this year that would have a much more strategic product solution fit that would expand our product portfolio or extend our platform and drive a lot more cross-sell or upsell. But that wasn't the main driver. And the one we announced that we closed in the quarter.

Okay, thank you. And then just continue on the acquisition side of the language on slide 5 seems to be a little bit getting to $1.5 billion by the end of fiscal year 25. Could you just comment on you talked a little bit about the M&A environment on the pricing seem to go dig starting to go down. Can you talk about the potential and the willingness to use our equity to consummate some of the potentially larger strategic deals?

Brian Shepherd

Yes. No, it's an interesting question. I'd bind that high if you want to jump in.
So by and large first, as we've talked about in our liquidity, we've got a lot of firepower to super healthy balance sheets. We do not need to use equity in deals and we wouldn't expect to for Small Mid other kinds of opportunities if there was and I and obviously, if we felt like our equity is undervalued.
And obviously, with our share buyback and what we're doing, you can see what we've done in terms of returning, we wouldn't necessarily want to do a deal if we felt like our equity was undervalued because we want to have a good return on that in terms of where it is.
If there was a bigger deal and there was an opportunity to do something strategic where we could really transform structure of industry where there was an opportunity to really made maybe change in and give us more competitive advantage that could really turbocharge EBITDA, EBITDA expansion, just strategic scale, would we say never, though we would never take any option off the table, but that wouldn't be our first.
What we would be looking at given kind of where we are today and the kinds of opportunities that are more near-term actionable. Hai what else would you add to that?

Hai Tran

Nothing that's I think the key messages. We're not going to trying to utilize our equity. We believe our banks can that ultimately, we're going to have to assess kind of almost a game day decision when we look at the opportunity.

Thank you.

Operator

Tim Horan, Oppenheimer.

Tim Horan

Victor, I was just following on that on. Could you give us a sense and how much you plan on spending in cash on acquisitions the next few years to kind of hit that target out there?

Hai Tran

I think I think that's a very the answer that's unsatisfactory Is it just depends, right. Depends on the type of assets available and certain assets will fall.
How would you require a higher multiple than others. So we do that, as Brian said, have a quite a bit of liquidity as we sit here today and roughly 570 million in cash and our and our credit facility. So, you know, so it just depends, but we are working hard to make sure we're finding opportunities that are truly accretive, right, right out of the gate or shortly right out of the gate as we are as we're able to realize some of the synergies that baked into any sort of valuation case.

Tim Horan

Yes.
And obviously, I was not looking for specifics just overall on average. I mean, are we looking to spend like $300 million, $400 million hit that type of target? Or is it $100 million or $2200 million on the $1.5 billion?

Hai Tran

Yes, I mean think about it this way, Randy, we're going to have to acquire roughly $250 million of revenue, right? So depending on the on the mix of the $250 million of revenue that we acquire, hedge, more CDx sort of payments and there wouldn't it's going require a higher multiple, right? If it's going to be more in our traditional revenue monetization than the valuation multiple will be more akin to kind of where we're trading at, right. So those are some of the considerations.

Tim Horan

Got it. And then on can you give a little bit more color on the defense segment revenue breakdown for the year. And I guess just specifically, you know, broadband, obviously under some pressure, do you think you can grow that revenue line item this year? Or what are you kind of assuming in your guidance or Tom, do you think it will worsen here? Because it seems like the cable guys are about to come under a lot more pressure. The next six months, nine months or so?

Brian Shepherd

Yes, no, I think you said it, Tim, but that's why we referred to and use the language. We're feeling some smallish headwinds as it relates to broadband, some of that on the North American cable side, based on the of the earnings calls, we've listened to some of our customers through last week. I think the general tone is you'd expect that to continue kind of into through the next couple of quarters?
I think there will be some impact of that. That's large that's been built into our plan we had that coming into the year. It's kind of as expected. And we anticipate facing that, which is why we're excited that the other parts of our business are growing even faster to offset some of those headwinds next year, I think and next year could be a different equation night with the homes passed with competitive response. You know, we don't necessarily believe at this stage that it's a foregone conclusion that those headwinds would continue into next year. But for the next quarter or two, for sure, we're anticipating there will be some smallish headwinds.

Tim Horan

Is there much products you can upsell to improve your RPU on a basis to help the cable guys get more efficient on your ARPUs relatively low? I know you're doing kind of a modest few things for them. But with a I know a whole bunch of the other products that you have, do you see any way to upsell that make them more efficient?

Brian Shepherd

Yes. I mean, first, I think they're doing a lot in their own right to continue to be efficient, driving for CX. And we're trying to do our part to help them with that. But I think the biggest opportunity both in North American cable customers and Global Telecom is on the digital CX side and a lot of our success with our journey analytics journey orchestration platform was in those other verticals.
And now it really is the top one of the top two topics at Mobile World Congress this year and last of the Global Telecom was all around how do we simplify our business? How do we drive digital CX? It's also true of the North American cable card customers. That's why we've targeted things around AI driven sales assist to cross sell to their customers.
What we've rolled out, Bill explained our data and AI, which has a huge implication. We've used digital CX use cases around promo roll-off because a big part of churn comes when somebody a subscriber rolls off maybe their introductory price period. So I do think there's a lot of opportunities, especially in the digital and CX, both in North America and globally.

Tim Horan

Thank you.

Operator

Michael Berg, Wells Fargo.

Michael Berg

Hi. Thanks for taking my question. A quick one on the seasonality of the business. I'm just looking back historically, it looks like the other revenue line item takes a step function up in terms of the mix of total in Q1 and tends to be fairly flat throughout the rest of the year. Is there any dynamics to point to point to driving that phenomena?

Hai Tran

Yes. I think what you're seeing is that yes, there's seasonality on the payments business, right?
So if you look at our payments business by the very nature of that Q4 and Q1 end up being the two strongest quarters and the Q2 and Q3 are the weaker quarters. A lot of that is because a chunk of our payments business is serving the government sector. So a lot of tax payments, right? And so those transactions hit in Q4 and Q1. And so that's why you're seeing some of that trend.

Michael Berg

Got it helpful. And then just one quick follow-up in terms of the guidance and M&A. Does the current reiteration of guidance incorporate the acquisition you did? And does that also potentially include the acquisitions, you seem to be likely to do?

Brian Shepherd

Yes.

Hai Tran

So the in terms of the guidance, yes, but bear in mind the acquisitions, the actual revenues quite small here, right? Or we're talking about single digit in terms of revenue. So the impact is quite nominal, particularly once you prove it for timing of the year.

Brian Shepherd

And then the other thing I would add to that is we expect to have good organic growth in fiscal year 2024. And so even with that guidance, where we reiterated on the revenue side and we typically talk a lot about midpoint. And so we talk about at midpoint of our current reiterated guidance of 4% growth. And as I said, we still believe we can achieve 4% growth organically, and there's some smallish impacts from from acquisitions.

Michael Berg

Helpful. Thank you.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks so much.

Operator

At this time, I'm showing there are no more questions. I'll now turn the call back over to Brian Shepherd for closing remarks now.

Brian Shepherd

Thanks, everyone, for joining. We're focused on delivering against our guidance commitments. We're focused on driving a lot of efficiency ongoing as you saw in our our adjusted margin guidance, we expect to strongly be in the 70% range.
We expect to grow top line. We expect to do deliver better results as we get into Q2, Q3, Q4. It's up to us to execute that, and that's exactly what this management team is focused on doing.
Thank you for joining today's call.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's call. Thank you all for joining. You may now disconnect.