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Q4 2019 SYNNEX Corp Earnings Call & Discussion Of The Plan To Separate Into Two Industry-Leading, Publicly Traded Companies

Fremont Jan 14, 2020 (Thomson StreetEvents) -- Edited Transcript of SYNNEX Corp earnings conference call or presentation Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 10:00:00pm GMT

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Corporate Participants

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* Christopher Caldwell

SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President

* Dennis Polk

SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director

* Marshall W. Witt

SYNNEX Corporation - CFO

* Mary Lai

SYNNEX Corporation - Head of IR

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Conference Call Participants

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* Ananda Prosad Baruah

Loop Capital Markets LLC, Research Division - MD

* Madison Suhr

Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Research Associate

* Matthew John Sheerin

Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst

* Shannon Siemsen Cross

Cross Research LLC - Co-Founder, Principal & Analyst

* Vincent Alexander Colicchio

Barrington Research Associates, Inc., Research Division - MD

* Zhen Yang

Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Assistant VP

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Presentation

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Operator [1]

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Good afternoon. My name is David, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to the SYNNEX Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2019 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. (Operator Instructions) At this time, for opening remarks, I would like to pass the call over to Ms. Mary Lai, Head of Investor Relations. Miss, you may begin.

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Mary Lai, SYNNEX Corporation - Head of IR [2]

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Thank you, David, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the SYNNEX Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2019 Earnings Call. Joining me to review our 2 announcements from earlier today are Dennis Polk, President and CEO; Marshall Witt, CFO; and Chris Caldwell, President of Concentrix.

After the prepared remarks, we will open the call to a question-and-answer session.

Before we begin, we remind everyone that today's discussion contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, which statements include any predictions, estimates, projections or other statements about future events, including the company's projected financial results and the expected separation transaction. Actual results may differ materially from those mentioned in these forward-looking statements as a result of the risks and uncertainties discussed in today's earnings release in the Form 8-K we filed today and in the Risk Factors section of our Form 10-K, and our other reports and filings with the SEC.

We do not intend to update any forward-looking statements.

Also, during this call, we will reference certain non-GAAP financial information. Reconciliation of non-GAAP and GAAP reporting is included in our earnings release and the related Form 8-K available under the Investor Relations section of our website.

This conference call is the property of SYNNEX Corporation and may not be recorded or rebroadcasted without our permission.

And now I will turn the call over to our CEO. Dennis?

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [3]

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Thank you, Mary, and thank you to everyone joining us today. I wanted to start off the call by acknowledging our very successful Q4 results announcement, which Marshall, Chris and I will review in more detail later, but to also acknowledge the news release we issued today regarding our intention to separate SYNNEX and Concentrix into 2 publicly traded companies.

Over the past decade, we have regularly asked ourselves, does it make strategic sense to separate SYNNEX and Concentrix given the distinct differences of the 2 businesses? Our investors have continually asked us this question as well. To date, while able to separate, we have not for many reasons, mostly though, we believe it's best to nurture both these segments under 1 entity. With the Convergys transaction 1 year ago, we expect it will be some time before we could consider a separation again due to the years and effort expected to successfully integrate Convergys into Concentrix, especially so given the size of the transaction. Also, we expect that it would take significant time to stabilize the business as Convergys was on a steady revenue decline path at the time of the acquisition.

Well, as a result of the true entrepreneurial spirit and capability of SYNNEX and Concentrix and under the excellent leadership of the management team, we substantially completed the integration and stabilized revenue growth in just 1 year, far ahead of expectations. This aspect along with the dynamics of operating a nearly $5 billion a year, 225,000-plus associate CRM services entity under the umbrella of a technology distribution company moved us to the belief that the 2 segments operating independently would be more beneficial for all stakeholders. Equally important in this decision is the fact that the markets that both business operate in have been and will continue to go through rapid change. Considering this aspect, we believe that having each business be independent to address the individual market dynamics in the nimblest way will enable the best opportunity for each entity to grow and drive returns, especially so in the significant markets that each segment has to address.

I will talk about a few more aspects related to the separation later in my prepared remarks, but let me now turn over the call to Marshall to discuss our Q4 results. Marshall?

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Marshall W. Witt, SYNNEX Corporation - CFO [4]

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Thanks, Dennis. And regarding the proposed separation, we expect the transaction to be a tax-free share distribution to SYNNEX shareholders, resulting in 2 publicly traded companies. We anticipate filing the associated Form 10 in February, with the effective date of separation expected in the second half of 2020. The capital structure of each segment will be detailed in the Form 10. However, given early indications from financial partners, we expect both segments to exit separation with strong capital positions, resulting from continued operating performance and cash flow generation. Please refer to the investor presentation published on our website. Now let's discuss Q4 results.

We are pleased to report that we've exceeded expectations for all the Q4 financial metrics we previously guided to in September. On a consolidated basis, total revenue was an all-time record of $6.6 billion, up 19% compared to $5.5 billion in the same quarter of last year. FX did not have a significant impact on our top line or bottom line.

Our consolidated gross profit dollars totaled a record $795 million, up 21% or $140 million versus a year ago. And gross margin was 12%, an improvement of 27 basis points from the prior year quarter.

Total adjusted SG&A expense was $456 million or 7% of revenue, up $70 million in absolute dollars, but down 4 basis points as a percentage of revenue compared to a year ago quarter.

We posted record consolidated non-GAAP operating income dollars and operating margin in the fourth quarter. Non-GAAP operating income was $338 million, up $71 million or 26% year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating margin of 5.1% was a 31 basis point expansion from the prior year period.

Shifting gears to Q4 operating performance by business segment. First, on Technology Solutions. Technology Solutions delivered its highest ever revenue of $5.4 billion, an increase of 17% compared to $4.6 billion in the prior year quarter. Technology Solutions gross margin of 6.3% increased 30 basis points from the prior year quarter, primarily due to favorable product mix. Non-GAAP operating income was also a record at $178 million, up 28% or $39 million over the prior year quarter. Non-GAAP operating margin was 3.3%, up 27 basis points compared to a year ago.

Now to Concentrix. Concentrix revenue was $1.2 billion, an increase of 25% compared to $1 billion in the prior year quarter due to the full quarter impact of the Convergys acquisition completed in October of 2018. On a pro forma constant currency basis, revenue grew almost 1%. Concentrix gross margin was 37.8%, down 149 basis points year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating income in the quarter was $161 million, up $32 million in absolute dollars or 25% year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating margin was essentially flat year-over-year at 13.3%. The increase in profit dollars was primarily due to the Convergys acquisition, the profile of the portfolio and integration synergies.

Now moving back to consolidated results. Total non-GAAP net income was $220 million, up $46 million or 27% from the prior year period, and non-GAAP diluted EPS was $4.26, up $0.57 or 15% over the same period from a year ago.

The effective tax rate for the fourth quarter was 26.6% and consistent with our expectations. For the first quarter of fiscal 2020, we expect the effective tax rate to be lower at 23%, driven by anticipated reversal of uncertain tax positions.

Fourth quarter net total interest expense and finance charges of $39 million came in ahead of expectations, and we expect this trend to be slightly lower in the first quarter of 2020.

Our cash conversion cycle for the fourth quarter was 44 days, down 5 days sequentially and down 4 days year-over-year.

Our portfolio is comprised of healthy assets, and we remain focused on optimizing our working capital efficiency.

Preliminary cash generated from operations was approximately $349 million for the fourth quarter.

We achieved our 2019 goal of reducing debt by $400 million and exited the year with our debt-to-adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio of 2.4x.

Moving forward in Q1 of fiscal 2020, we expect to generate positive cash flow from both segments. At the end of Q4, between our cash and credit facilities, SYNNEX had about $2.2 billion in liquidity available to fund growth.

As described in our press release, the Board of Directors approved a regular quarterly cash dividend of $0.40 per common share, which is an increase of 7% from the prior year. The dividend is expected to be paid on January 31, 2020, to stockholders of record as of the close of business on January 24, 2020.

Before our Q1 outlook, I'd like to make one comment on our largest type customer. Beginning in the second half of fiscal 2020, we anticipate a shift to a consignment service model for a large portion of products we procure and integrate for this customer versus the current purchase-and-resale model. This is expected to lower our revenue in Q3 and Q4 by approximately $600 million a quarter. However, we do not expect this consignment model to materially change our earnings potential should volumes with the customer continue at existing levels.

Now moving to our first quarter fiscal 2020 outlook. We expect revenue to be in the range of $5.24 billion to $5.54 billion. Non-GAAP net income is expected to be in the range of $157 million to $167 million. The non-GAAP diluted EPS is expected to be in the range of $3.03 to $3.22 per diluted share based on weighted average shares outstanding of approximately 51.3 million. Non-GAAP net income and non-GAAP diluted EPS guidance excludes after-tax costs of approximately $43 million or $0.82 per share related to the amortization of intangibles and acquisition-related and integration expenses.

Please note that these statements of first quarter fiscal 2020 expectations are forward-looking, and actual results may differ materially.

I would now like to turn the call back over to Dennis.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [5]

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Thank you, Marshall. Regarding our Q4 results, as you've heard from Marshall, Q4 was another record quarter with exceptional results in all categories. Our Technology Solutions segment achieved revenue of $5.4 billion and a non-GAAP operating margin of 3.3%.

Our core TS business grew slightly better than market and continues to perform well in all aspects. Contributing to our core TS business growth was solid contribution from PC, software, cloud and networking product categories. Geographically, the U.S. was the main driver of our growth, but the rest of our geos performed well and were essentially in line with expectations.

In addition to the core business growth, the large project and integration business we discussed as being a positive in our third quarter was equally positive and much more than expected in our fourth quarter. This was mainly due to the unpredictability of this business, the mix of what we sold and orders that were not expected to transact in the quarter, but ultimately did.

Our Concentrix business also delivered in Q4. I would like to now turn the call over to Chris to discuss Concentrix results and outlook. Chris?

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [6]

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Thanks, Dennis. With the announcement today, the Concentrix team is both energized and focused on ensuring that we continue to execute and enhance Concentrix as we prepare to separate the 2 businesses. We feel that this is a natural progression coming at the right time with our size, scale and abilities that allow us to be more aggressive in reaching our goals. We believe this will result in benefits for the SYNNEX shareholders, our team members around the world and our clients. This exciting announcement tops a very foundational change year for Concentrix and a strong fourth quarter with Concentrix continuing our trend of like-for-like constant currency revenue growth and year-over-year margin expansion. By the end of the quarter, our main integration activities were essentially complete and the related synergies contributed to a 120 basis point expansion in our pro forma adjusted operating margin.

Fourth quarter revenue for Concentrix totaled $1.21 billion, an increase of approximately 25% on a reported basis. On a like-for-like constant currency basis, revenues were up a little under 1%, with currency fluctuations causing just under a 1% headwind this quarter. We're going into a new year with a strong pipeline that has a good representation across our verticals, geographies and capabilities. We have also executed well on our strategy to rebalance our portfolio with telecom revenues now under 23% of revenue for the fourth quarter, representing an impact of 4% for our pro forma growth rate, but giving us a healthier business and more balanced business.

Adjusted operating income for the quarter was $161 million, up from $129 million in the year ago period. Adjusted operating margin was 13.3%, up from 13.2% in the fourth quarter last year. It's important to understand on an apples-to-apples measurement, taking into consideration when Convergys acquisition happened, the fourth quarter adjusted operating income margin was up 120 basis points from 12.1% last year. The improved profit margins are the result of progress on integration strategies, execution on our plan to improve the profit margins of our portfolio.

On the transaction synergy front, we exited the quarter at an annualized run rate for synergies of approximately $120 million, well ahead of our year 1 target of $75 million and believe we will achieve more than the $150 million run rate at the end of fiscal 2020, a full year ahead of our schedule.

Our GAAP results for the quarter reflect approximately $18 million of integration and separation-related expenses. This is slightly higher than we anticipated entering the quarter as we were able to accelerate some facilities consolidation activities and recorded related charges in the quarter.

As we enter 2020, the integration of Convergys is essentially complete. We do anticipate a few remaining integration activities to continue into fiscal 2020, primarily related to the consolidation of facilities and data centers. We estimate we will incur approximately $20 million in expenses related to these activities in 2020 that will be primarily these exit costs.

Our margin expansion and disciplined investment strategy resulted in another quarter of strong cash flow generation. Cash flow from operations in the quarter totaled approximately $126 million. Additionally, we spent $40 million on expenditures this quarter, primarily to support new business wins. We continue to believe that on a long-term basis, capital spend in this business should be approximately 3% of our revenue.

As I mentioned earlier, this was a transformational year for Concentrix. We essentially completed the integration of Convergys within about a year's time. This represented the largest acquisition that has been completed in our space. As I mentioned earlier, we are ahead of schedule on our synergy plan and confident by the end of 2020, we will exceed the $150 million in annual synergy savings on a run rate basis.

On a pro forma constant currency basis, we grew revenues by approximately 2% to over $4.7 billion in 2019. In doing so, we overcame 2 meaningful headwinds. First, we had a turnaround of the revenue trajectory of the Convergys business, which saw revenue decrease by roughly 7% on a constant currency basis in the second quarter of 2018. Second, we continued the process of rebalancing our portfolio to improve the profit profile of our business. In this process, we grew despite having to replace an additional 4% of our revenue during the year that offset low-margin business and the telecom sector, which we continue to see shrinking as a percentage of our overall business.

Through a combination of integration synergies, cost discipline and profitable organic growth, we drove a steep change in our margin trajectory in 2019. Our full year 2019 adjusted operating income margin was 13 -- sorry, 11.3%, a 90 basis improvement over 2018 on an as-reported basis and 180 basis point improvement on a pro forma basis. Through our margin expansion and disciplined investment approach, we generated cash flows from operations of approximately $450 million in 2019. Capital expenditures for the year totaled $111 million.

Our 2019 accomplishments positioned us to continue to grow and to expand our margins further in 2020.

Turning to the first quarter of 2020, we expect to see the typical seasonal pattern for our business. Importantly, we do expect to see modest constant currency revenue growth and margin expansion in the first quarter on a year-over-year basis.

As I conclude, I would like to thank the Concentrix team members who are working to exceed our clients' needs and have helped us achieve a successful 2019, while working to integrate Convergys. Through their efforts, we have established a platform for growth, margin expansion and success in 2020. And beyond that, we will be able to take advantage of this as we enter this new chapter of Concentrix. The new chapter was only possible with the vision of Bob Huang, the founder of SYNNEX, and really the starting person of Concentrix; Dennis for support and guidance drove the Concentrix growth and the SYNNEX Board for the support in us taking the step.

Thank you very much. Now back to you, Dennis.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [7]

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Thanks, Chris. As Chris indicated, 2019 was a special year for Concentrix. As well, it was a special year for all of SYNNEX. We ended the year with nearly $24 billion in revenue, the third year in a row, increasing our top line by approximately $3 billion. We were able to do so because of investments made in the preceding years.

Going forward, we will continue to invest in our business as we adapt to our marketplace and prepare for the next opportunities.

Before commenting on our Q1 outlook, I wanted to touch on the item mentioned by Marshall that will affect our 2020 revenue. While the decision by a major customer to consign components to us for integration is not ideal from a top line standpoint, we treat the decision as another area to partner on with a customer versus focus on the revenue implications. As such, we will ensure a smooth transition. Equally important, we are focused on earning a solid return on the design and integration services we provide and we expect this to continue, as Marshall indicated. While the top line will decline, we will benefit from lower cash use in this business and will ensure this capital is properly utilized.

Now turning to our outlook for Q1 fiscal 2020. In our Technology Solutions business, we expect the market to remain competitive. We are confident that we can leverage our line card and cross-selling efforts to maintain our sales momentum. As a result, we expect our core TS business to grow better than market.

Regarding our project and integration business, while the last 2 quarters have been much more than expected, we see Q1 at a more normalized level, essentially in line with Q1 2019.

In Concentrix, as Chris noted, we expect our Q1 to be within normal seasonal ranges with positive revenue growth and margin expansion.

As we look at the markets we serve, businesses are continuing to invest in new technologies and we remain at the forefront of those actions, strategically providing solutions, enabling our partners and customers to grow. As we make our way through the spin process, we will continue to invest in both Technology Solutions and Concentrix and expect to deliver the best results possible through the separation date.

Regarding Concentrix, I'm very happy for Chris to be taking on the CEO role for Concentrix once the separation occurs. Chris understands the BPO market very well, is a well-regarded leader in the industry, has taken the best of the SYNNEX culture in forming Concentrix and has a very solid team to execute a successful, independent company following the separation. My expectation is that Concentrix will be even more exciting in the next 10 years than in the past 10 where it grew from $100 million in annual revenue to nearly $5 billion.

I'm equally energetic about the prospects of the stand-alone TS business. I believe the most exciting times in the TS business are to come as well, considering the current positive business momentum of TS, separate capital structure post-separation and plentiful investment opportunities in the market. I want to thank all our passionate and dedicated associates around the world for making this journey possible. And thanks to our business partners and shareholders for their continuous support.

With that, I would like to open up the call for questions.

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Questions and Answers

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Operator [1]

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(Operator Instructions) Your first question comes from the line of Vince Colicchio with Barrington Research.

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Vincent Alexander Colicchio, Barrington Research Associates, Inc., Research Division - MD [2]

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A few for you, Chris. The growth in the quarter -- actually, when you exited the quarter, I think you were talking about growing in line with the market. So I was just curious, when do you think you'll see that happen going forward?

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [3]

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Yes, Vince, I think we're going to continue to see consecutive growth that we're doing. I think we were a little more aggressive in kind of Q3, Q4, replacing some of the lower-margin business and closing some of the facilities that went along with that, that impacted a bit. But underlying, based on our pipeline, we continue to see -- have great confidence to continue to get back to that rate within 2020.

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Vincent Alexander Colicchio, Barrington Research Associates, Inc., Research Division - MD [4]

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And could you give us some color on how voice performed versus nonvoice? And maybe within nonvoice, how RPA is performing?

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [5]

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We saw sort of balanced growth actually in both the voice and nonvoice parts of the business. RPA had sort of less of an impact with the business in the last quarters. We've had a lot of sort of integration already done. New deals tend to come across with some of that automation already completed. So it wasn't necessarily a meaningful part of the revenue mix.

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Vincent Alexander Colicchio, Barrington Research Associates, Inc., Research Division - MD [6]

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And then it looks like you've done a nice job of stabilizing Convergys, for sure. I'm just curious, you're in now -- is there any meaningful churn from Convergys clients?

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [7]

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No, we had the business 100% integrated. We had obviously common clients across the 2 and no meaningful churn whatsoever.

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Vincent Alexander Colicchio, Barrington Research Associates, Inc., Research Division - MD [8]

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And Dennis, I think someone mentioned that you expect growth in the Tech Solutions business at a premium to the market. How should we think about the growth in the market in 2020? Any help there would be good.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [9]

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Sure, Vince. As far as the product sets that we carry today and represent in the market, we see that in the next year growing between 2% and 4%. And as I indicated in my remarks and is always our goal, we expect to grow faster than the market rates.

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Operator [10]

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Your next question comes from the line of Matt Sheerin with Stifel.

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Matthew John Sheerin, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst [11]

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Congrats on the decision to spin out the 2 businesses. Just first question on the spinout. Was there any consideration by the Board to, instead of spinning out 2 public companies, to look at an alternative transaction, perhaps with PE or a strategic buyer in either of the 2 segments? Was there a reason and was that something that you've looked into?

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [12]

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Matt, this is Dennis. Thanks for the questions. Yes, our Board as part of the process to make the decision that we announced today asked us to look at all potential opportunities for each business segment, Technology Solutions and Concentrix. And once we analyzed everything -- and each possibility has its positives and negatives. But once we analyzed everything, we believe that the separation process that we announced today was the best option for our company.

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Matthew John Sheerin, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst [13]

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Were there any particular top 3 reasons why you went that route?

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [14]

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Yes. Matt, what I would do is first call out and remind folks what Marshall called out in his script regarding the presentation we posted on our IR site today, where we detailed the rationale, the why-now aspects, how we believe this will create value for all stakeholders for our business, including our customers, our partners, our associates and shareholders. So I think if you take a look at that presentation, you'll get a lot more of the detail of why we thought the spin process to deliver Concentrix as a public company to the market is the best alternative.

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Matthew John Sheerin, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst [15]

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Got it. Okay. And then on the revenue recognition change with the Hyve customer, I understand the lower revenue. How does that impact your gross profit dollars and operating profit dollars? Because I imagine there was some margin that you made on some of the pass-through of those components. I know there's a carrying cost too, obviously, and you did mention that earlier. But could you just quantify that, any impact on the operating margin or operating profits?

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Marshall W. Witt, SYNNEX Corporation - CFO [16]

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Matt, this is Marshall. Yes, our expectations are that operating profit dollars are anticipated to grow. Operating margin will improve. And don't lose sight what Dennis had mentioned, too, that we will see overall working capital needs go down, which will help our debt levels and lower our interest expense.

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Matthew John Sheerin, Stifel, Nicolaus & Company, Incorporated, Research Division - MD & Senior Equity Research Analyst [17]

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Okay. So it doesn't sound like there's any negatives, it just sounds like a positive move for you. Okay, very good. And I think that's it for me.

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Operator [18]

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(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Shannon Cross with Cross Research.

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Shannon Siemsen Cross, Cross Research LLC - Co-Founder, Principal & Analyst [19]

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I was just curious, maybe Chris and Dennis, if you can talk about how you see these 2 businesses on a go-forward basis? I guess, there's obviously been some consolidation in the industry. Concentrix clearly has been a consolidator. Would you assume that, that's sort of the same track you want to go on? Or again, sort of maybe going back to the Board discussion, but is this something where you think the value creation might be through a bigger transaction where maybe either TS or Concentrix becomes part of a bigger company. I'm just -- I'm trying to think about how you're thinking about this from maybe a little bit longer-term perspective.

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [20]

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Yes, Shannon, from a Concentrix perspective, we continue to see opportunities in the market to consolidate and we'll continue to be participating as a consolidator in the marketplace.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [21]

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Shannon, this is Dennis. From a TS perspective, I'll refer you back to the investor deck that we posted today. On Slide 11, you can see the strategic playbook that we have for our TS business. Being a separate company from Concentrix does not change the strategy of the company. But being a stand-alone business will allow us a few opportunities that we haven't had to date. But again, the strategy has not changed.

And if you follow the deck that we have, it's 3-pronged. We really want to continue to optimize our core business. We think we run a very efficient company, but we always know we can improve it and offer more returns as a result. We think we can -- that's number one.

Number two, we think we can drive significant organic growth by investing in a few more areas in our business. Number one is line card expansion, we have a very healthy line card. And while it's not the easiest thing to do to add an additional vendor relationship, we do think we have the ability to do so going forward. So opportunity for growth there. We're significantly investing in all the offerings around anything as a service and cloud solutions, and we'll continue to do that as the market expands and offers opportunities. And then we're going to continue to invest in our team. We've actually hired a lot of sales, product and business development folks over the past year, somewhat under the radar, but that's helped us grow our business. And as we absorb those additional head count, we'll then go for round 2 and continue to invest in that area of our business, and we expect that will drive organic growth as well.

And then last but not least, we have been a consolidator in this industry through M&A and other strategic investments. We haven't done as much in the last couple of years since our Westcon-Comstor acquisition, primarily as a result of the fact that we are very focused on the Convergys transaction, and that came with a lot of capital contributed to it. So as a separate company, we'll have the ability to focus solely on the M&A needs, if you will, of the TS business, and that's what we plan to do.

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Shannon Siemsen Cross, Cross Research LLC - Co-Founder, Principal & Analyst [22]

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Okay, that's very helpful. And then just one question, we've been out at CES and met with your partners on the PC side, and clearly there are challenges with access to CPUs, which obviously did not manifest itself this quarter. I would assume there was a fair amount of channel sales going in the quarter. So I'm just curious, do you anticipate there being a time where what Intel is, I don't know, doing to its PC partners at this point will actually hit your numbers? Or is there a reason why we should think that you can kind of get through this and all we need to worry about is typical PC trend?

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [23]

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Sure. Shannon, this is Dennis. So the reality is we've been dealing with this situation essentially on and off for the last year. And I think what we see -- what the market sees, which is we expect it'll probably continue for a couple more quarters at least. But we've been able to, I think, navigate it fairly well, work with our partners to ensure that product is delivered as soon as it can. And the plan is to continue to do that for the next couple of quarters as the situation plays out.

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Operator [24]

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Your next question comes from the line of Adam Tindle with Raymond James.

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Madison Suhr, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Research Associate [25]

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This is Madison on for Adam. Marshall, I know it's early, but I was hoping you could help us better understand some of the balance sheet dynamics between the 2 businesses. Maybe anything related to cash conversion cycle, and how can we think about the allocation of debt between the businesses post spin?

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Marshall W. Witt, SYNNEX Corporation - CFO [26]

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Yes, we expect it to be about 50-50. In our prepared remarks and in what I said, we absolutely believe, given where we're projecting in terms of strong balance sheets for both entities, additional improvement in operating performance and cash flows is that will only bolster that comment.

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Madison Suhr, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Research Associate [27]

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Okay. Any differences around cash conversion cycles between the businesses?

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Marshall W. Witt, SYNNEX Corporation - CFO [28]

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There is unique differences. Clearly, for TS, it's a full spectrum of cash conversion from AR to inventory to APU. And as we said in the past, with Concentrix, it's predominantly the AR DSO cycle.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [29]

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And Madison, this is Dennis. Just a follow-up on the capital side. As Marshall indicated, we're filing a Form F-10 as part of this transaction, and there'll be more information about the go-forward capital structure in that document.

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Madison Suhr, Raymond James & Associates, Inc., Research Division - Research Associate [30]

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Okay. And then just a quick follow-up here. I know the spin will qualify as tax-free. But would there be any tax implications for a potential buyer to come into play here?

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Marshall W. Witt, SYNNEX Corporation - CFO [31]

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Yes. So as we said, we expect this to be a tax-free spin and will be a pro rata allocation through dividend to our SYNNEX shareholders.

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Operator [32]

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(Operator Instructions) Your next question comes from the line of Tim Yang with Citi.

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Zhen Yang, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Assistant VP [33]

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On Concentrix, I think the target for top line growth is mid-single digit, and you're growing at low single-digit percentage in 2019. I think you mentioned that you have some portfolio optimization. I think the question is, are you comfortable with your current end exposure right now? And how should we think about the time line for achieving the target growth?

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [34]

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Yes. So we see the market growing between 3% and 5% and our expectation is that we'll achieve that in 2020. We're very comfortable with our portfolio right now. We're very comfortable with our pipeline right now. We've actually sort of been more aggressive at sort of rebalancing our portfolio over the last quarter and a bit to make sure that we have a more rich margin profile and a more diverse profile across our verticals. So quite happy where we're at.

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Zhen Yang, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Assistant VP [35]

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And the time line for achieving the target growth?

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Christopher Caldwell, SYNNEX Corporation - Executive Vice-President [36]

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Within 2020, we've said that we are comfortable of achieving it within our 2020 time line between the market growth rates.

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Zhen Yang, Citigroup Inc, Research Division - Assistant VP [37]

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Got you. Okay. One quick follow-up. You had a very strong result in TS business, but some of your vendors mentioned the enterprise spending remains pressured. Can you help us understand why there's a disconnect between your performance versus your vendors?

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [38]

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This is Dennis. I think a couple of reasons for that. One, we've been executing very well in the marketplace, overall. Part of that, I'll go back to what I said before. We've been investing in the business, additional sales head count, additional BD and product folks that have really helped us take share. So that's allowed us to grow faster than the overall market.

Also, as we talked about in our Q3 results, and as I mentioned in the script today, our integration and system design business, we've been able to cross-sell additional services to that customer set, which are more distribution-like, more supply chain-like services, and we benefited by that again as well in the quarter.

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Operator [39]

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Your next question comes from the line of Ananda Baruah with Loop Capital.

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Ananda Prosad Baruah, Loop Capital Markets LLC, Research Division - MD [40]

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Congratulations on this. Nice move. Just a couple for me. Dennis and Marshall, and Chris as well. Dennis, you talked earlier about having both companies, I believe, having opportunities to do some things now separately that maybe they weren't able to previously. Can you talk about what some of those more material things might be, whether they're revenue-related, strategic-related, optimization-related? Would love to know what those things might be. And then I have a quick follow-up.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [41]

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Ananda, this is Dennis. So to be clear, the separation doesn't immediately change anything with regard to either segment. Our strategies for Concentrix and SYNNEX have been in place for quite some time, and we've been executing on them. But having 2 companies under 1 umbrella does have the situation come up now and again, where you have to make a decision between the 2. That won't occur going forward. So that's the key first thing that will happen once the separation occurs. But then when the independent companies have their own management teams in place, their own Board of Directors, they'll be able to specifically focus on their strategies. And by doing that, along with a separate capital structure, I think the long-term prospects of each individual entity will be better than they are today. But to emphasize, the strategies of the business aren't changed because of the separation, they're just improved as a result.

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Ananda Prosad Baruah, Loop Capital Markets LLC, Research Division - MD [42]

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Yes. Understood. Understood. And then just with regards to the comments that you guys made on the TS side, how you sort of have been this is my term, like kind of on pause, you haven't done much M&A-wise there, you'd be open to doing stuff again. Can you help us just think about where you think the industry still could benefit from consolidation? There's been a lot of consolidation at the 2 Tier level, the VAR level, there hasn't been as much. Are there any other areas? Just kind of like that, higher level would be helpful. Appreciate it.

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [43]

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Sure. Ananda, this is Dennis again. I'd say 2 areas that would benefit the industry. One would be further consolidation. I do think a larger set of, call it, power distributors, if you will, will benefit the market more by offering streamlined services and efficient services to the OEM and of our community. That's number one.

And number two, I think we can, as a distribution channel, can use our resources to invest in other services to further help our partners out, be it an OEM or a VAR to extend their offerings to the end customer.

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Ananda Prosad Baruah, Loop Capital Markets LLC, Research Division - MD [44]

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Any type -- particular types of services that pop out?

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Dennis Polk, SYNNEX Corporation - President, CEO & Director [45]

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Yes. I'd go back to one of the strategies that we talked about in the investor deck. We're investing in cloud-related services and anything around anything as a service. And so there might be possibilities to do investments in those areas beyond the organic ones that I talked about.

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Operator [46]

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(Operator Instructions) There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back to Mary Lai for closing remarks.

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Mary Lai, SYNNEX Corporation - Head of IR [47]

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Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate your time and your interest. We look forward to speaking with you next time. This concludes our conference call. Thank you.

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Operator [48]

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Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.